All about defense. This is arguably one of the most difficult and interesting conversations we've ever had on the podcast. Enjoy the listen :)

Timestamps
(2:10) - What are Segundo Bros?

(5:30) - What can young people do in Defense?
(11:44) - $1000 drones taking out 3 billion dollar ships
(25:20) - Deterrence Theory and Francis Fukuyama
(40:50) - The Valley of Death for Defense Startups
(55:00) - The Trickle Down Effect of Defense Tech